I was looking online for various 360 degree 3D walkthroughs  of historic buildings, stadiums and other architecture to build a new cicero set. I had very little luck finding anything worth while, and although i can make allot of things up in my imagination, i  really wanted to create a set of 1000 to 2000 ciceros from 3D walkthroughs.    
 
Then i realized that it may be better if i switch to pc/console games instead, there is just so much more to work with. The upcoming release of the new game The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has almost LIFE LIKE detail to the game world with literally thousands of items and different towns that are so detailed it should be no problem finding and creating ciceros.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NhevGw_qBw&feature=related
 
The same can be said for games like Crysis, Left 4 dead (any game by valve), dead island, far cry...the list goes on
 
But what i was really excited about was Sims 3, just look at this video
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3E-wG4L9sY
 
All though each of the games i have listed do have a map editor and mods for new items, nothing really comes close to the ORGANIZATION, and EFFORTLESSNESS of Sim's 3, which has like 5 expansion packs and user made items and mods that just literally give you hundreds and possibly thousands of items with even more variation on how you chose to create your environment and cicero's for whatever you need.
 
And you always have the option of tweaking whatever you create in your imagination so that when you go through it you make it seem more and more real and lifelike.
 
I found that there is a demo of the game online, and you can play it directly on your browswer...it has a limited amount of items but you can still build what you want and possibly created a limited cicero list.
 
http://www.gaikai.com/games#Client
 
- go down till you see the sims 3 picture

Wow, great idea atsguy!  I still remember Myst well even though I've not played it for five years. Now, I wonder if I can get it to run under Windows 7?  
 
I also wonder if it might be possible to get a bit lost in it all? It's not ideal for procrastinators is it?
 
I liked the idea I read elsewhere of building up multiple cicero locations on a single item, eg. with a fridge you could easily build a dozen locations out of the plug, dial, door, drawer etc. And then the plug could have another half dozen  eg. screw, earth, cable etc.
 
Let us know how you get on!

discipulus 09 November 2011 08:16 said:

Wow, great idea atsguy!  I still remember Myst well even though Ive not played it for five years. Now, I wonder if I can get it to run under Windows 7?  
 
I also wonder if it might be possible to get a bit lost in it all? Its not ideal for procrastinators is it?
 
I liked the idea I read elsewhere of building up multiple cicero locations on a single item, eg. with a fridge you could easily build a dozen locations out of the plug, dial, door, drawer etc. And then the plug could have another half dozen  eg. screw, earth, cable etc.
 
Let us know how you get on!

 
Not only that but you can take the items you have for cicero's and connect random items to them via free association, separate those into parts and end up with 130 images per Cicero. I don't really think it matters if its a actual cicero. Anyway with 1000 cicero's overtime you can easily generate over 100,000 supports, if you needed that many.

that is amazing.
This brings me to a question, i assume that GMS course already included a scheme of this sort(a 3d walk through)
but since you took the trouble of finding out, it seems to be that it doesn't. If I am not mistaken, Cicero is akin to your harddrive to store information. Hence I would assume this course includes in it such a cicero that has already 1000 predefined elements. If not then how can you permanently memorize loads of stuff?
My questions:
At the end of this course, how big is one's cicero?
How do students cope in making their Cicero bigger. Real life contains such a multitude of repetition, and to subsistute it with hand picked objects must be tendersome. I just want to know, how much does the course provide inorder to take away the burden of broadening cicero?
Does the student base library already contain any detailed cicero structures with pictures and everything? or rather a 3d walk through?

ccme 27 November 2011 04:15 said:

that is amazing.
This brings me to a question, i assume that GMS course already included a scheme of this sort(a 3d walk through)
but since you took the trouble of finding out, it seems to be that it doesnt. If I am not mistaken, Cicero is akin to your harddrive to store information. Hence I would assume this course includes in it such a cicero that has already 1000 predefined elements. If not then how can you permanently memorize loads of stuff?
My questions:
At the end of this course, how big is ones cicero?
How do students cope in making their Cicero bigger. Real life contains such a multitude of repetition, and to subsistute it with hand picked objects must be tendersome. I just want to know, how much does the course provide inorder to take away the burden of broadening cicero?
Does the student base library already contain any detailed cicero structures with pictures and everything? or rather a 3d walk through?

 
Its part of the training really, it takes some time to create a large set but it can be done (1000+). There are some good examples in the course so you will understand how to properly create them. But it all comes down to you really; it all depends on what you want to learn and how much you want to train.
 
Read the GMS book, it gives some good info on creating support images (ciceros). The amount you can make is infinite, and i remember reading in the GMS book that during the middle ages people would create 300,000 support images.

atsguy 01 December 2011 22:40 said:

Its part of the training really, it takes some time to create a large set but it can be done (1000+). There are some good examples in the course so you will understand how to properly create them. But it all comes down to you really; it all depends on what you want to learn and how much you want to train.
 
Read the GMS book, it gives some good info on creating support images (ciceros). The amount you can make is infinite, and i remember reading in the GMS book that during the middle ages people would create 300,000 support images.

Thanks for the information. I did read through the GMS manual and indeed it is impressive. I also had read about how people from the past had a cicero of 300000 elements. I can imagine them to have memorized the bible word for word on that!
I truly believe that GMS is the key to achieve suchan enormous feat. However I just had this question about what the course has to offer in terms of cicero management. What potential does the course offer in software etc inorder for a person to increase in his Cicero. I assumed that the course makes you graduate with at least a thousand cicero elements, and that the course would be providing software to even expand on that. Software with over a million 3d detailed images that one can add on to his personal world. I already had assumed the course to be providing such software or online help for a graduated student to persue higher goals.
«however, you as a GMS student are informing us now about SIMS 3 and its amazing potential for its usage of building a huge cicero world. THis seems to point out that the course doesn`t offer such a software, hence could i conclude that graduate are left alone in this task of ever increasing there cicero according to the demands
Or is the course such that you generally don`t need anthing extra to be memorized for your cicero. Rather the course gives you more than enough. Then this brings me to the next question, how man cicero elements does a GMS student graduate with
It must be more than a thousand, considering the fact that the GMS manual mentioned to be providing documentation for 1000 figurative codes.

hay
atsguy
thank you
that is very interesting
recommend me more games for ceciro

It is evident that a complete review of the whole forum is a must for me
Cool Ideas here
THanks Atsguy

Good brainstorming! The only thing I will forewarn is that these Cicero places must be fixed in memory first. I believe you will have to walk through these new Cicero places in your mind for a certain time in order for these cool new Cicero rooms, etc. to truly be considered Cicero qualified for proper memorization + recall.
 
I like the ideas, I just remembered having a similar question years ago!
 
Peace!

Hello, i�m interested on applying this method, using video games for taking cicero imgs from them, anyone actually is using this method or any other ?